Something new for the microlight industry!!!

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Something new for the microlight industry!!!

Postby Alex » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:30 pm

Hi Guys

I heard a roomer that there is 2 new trikes coming that will rock the market. One 912 and one 582. I don’t have more information than this but that one will be a good not expensive trainer and the adhere will be something like the GT 450 just a lot cheaper. The best is the after sales for us here it will be in SA for us. Lets see what the guys come up with, I can not wait to see and test fly them. The next good thing they told me is that we buy no extras all will be in the aircraft included like a radio, helmets, headsets, intercom, and the normal instruments. I buy it and just get in and fly it! Something to look forward to, don’t you think? 8)
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Postby Cloud Warrior » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:37 am

Oooh look out there - it's a flying pig!

I will remain sceptical until I see the aircraft in the flesh.
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Postby Alex » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:42 am

Hi Cloud Warrior

I hope and think not lets see. The market is very competitive so they must build something stronger, better and not so expensive to get in the market.
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Postby Alex » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:43 am

Hi Cloud Warrior

I hope and think not lets see. The market is very competitive so they must build something stronger, better and not so expensive to get in the market.
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Postby nicow » Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:40 pm

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It is about time!!!
Can't wait to see it.
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Postby Alex » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:30 am

Hi Nicow

I agree we need something like this to happen in microlights. More of us can get better and faster microlights to fly for less. The guys asked me to find out if there are more guys like me that would appreciate a good and strong trike for less. So I am trying to see how the forum does on this subject. I hope there are more guys like us, because it counts! I am bugging them for more answers but all they say is that the 912 will fly like a GT450 at +/- R 320 000 and the 582 about R 165 000 with all the extras we are baying after we have the trike. The looks they say will be much better. So let see I really cannot wait!
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Postby Tower » Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:39 am

So, who are "they"
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:18 pm

I thought the GT450 was about R320K. What's all the song and dance about?
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Postby Massimo » Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:38 pm

Yes RV i agree.

The 582 seems well priced...if it has a MUCH higher cruise speed, but the 912 is the same approx as the GT so what the point :?:

Alex whats happening with your world record speed setting for trike?
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Postby Alex » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:12 pm

Hi Tower

Sorry they don’t want me to say until its done, so sorry they want to get them ready and believe me they are good builders so they know what they are doing ones they allow me to say I will.

Hi RV4ker

Yes but that is not what you pay, don’t forget the import duties and the adhere hidden costs like shipping, tax and the rand pound it will bring you to +/- R 380 000.00 easy if not more. You will still need to get all of the stuff to get in the air, like a radio, intercom, helmets for a GT 450 but for the 582 you will need to get instruments, radio, intercom, headsets and helmets. They say all of this is coming standard with there aircraft. This makes a big deference don’t you think? Don’t for get the spares, its here and I don’t think it will be expensive.

All of this makes a big deference for me, it will save me money. But guys remember it’s not out yet so lets see and see their prices. I did not say that will be the prices for them I know it will not be more they said.

Massimo I am waiting for some paperwork from CAA and then I can start getting it together. I also want to see this new aircraft maybe it’s faster and I can take one for a tri.

Guys please lets see I was asked to see if some guys will be interested in these aircraft so yes please give me more questions if you want, they also look at what’s happening here. I there is any thing you would like more on or in a trike, put it on. 8)
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:38 pm

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IMHO price dictates and although many would like a 4 stroke trike it is just too dam expensive to justify as a hobbie, toy or pastime. By way of example - Look at the influx (and success) of the Chineese copies of popular cars at half or less price. Mate of mine has the GWM (Great Wall of China Motors) franchise and sold 50 (yes 50) bakkies in the first month in a small platteland town where he budgeted to do between 12-15 a month. Sales continue to flow and he is having a hard time keeping up. I drove the bakkie and it not a fancy schmancy vehicle by any means, but it can do the job and is comfortable enough. Time will tell if they are any good, but when I asked one of the guys who has been a loyal old school brand driver all his life why he chose it, he said he can buy 2.5 of these for same price as 1 branded one. He thus has a "spare bakkie" and about R50k left over for spares, service etc. and the bakkie gets Moer'd on the farm anyway. Makes scense if you think about it and loose the stigmatism associated with driving a "ripof".....

That said I think the GT450 is closer to the luxury end of the market and those that want a GT450 will rather pay extra for the name and get a 450 than an unknown (at least until the other is established in he market).

Also - I have yet to find someone (other than schools and the odd farmer) who can justify a trike as a business tool and thus get the tax benefits available to "conventional" aircraft ownership which makes spending R300K+ even harder.

The cheaper it is the more will be interested although the trike market seems to be in a bit of a lul at the moment with some awesome deals going on seconds not being snapped up.

IIRC KWK was landed here at under R320K (under correction). Obviously exchange rates fluctuate so timing plays a part, but there is no import duty on aircraft. VAT I assume will be payable on the new aerie as well. Bottom line without having a spec sheet in front of me it is impossible to make a judgement call and anyone who says they are keen are possibly blowing smoke up your @ss. Not saying don't bring it, simply saying that until the final thing is ready for a test flight it may be a bit unfair to "diss" the competition. Also IMHO it would need to be significantly cheaper (30%+) to have any serious impact on what is a small market.

Finally I am not a trike driver so keep that in mind. Above is simply my opinion.

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As a parting shot, is there a difference between the u/c and wing on a 912 and 582 of the same model. Is there not possibly a bigger market for upgrading the current used trikes to 912 power?

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Postby FAWGie » Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:54 am

:shock: ...and to think that when I bought a brand new uprange trike a few years back, it cost R72k with ALL the options....
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Postby skybound® » Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:57 am

RV4ker wrote: and although many would like a 4 stroke trike it is just too dam expensive to justify as a hobbie, toy or pastime.
Dont you drive an Albat :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:

I agree with RV4ker. The market is really small and a rather dead one at that presently.

I do believe that the other local manufacturers could do with some decent competition. I am still carrying a bitter taste in my mouth from when the exchange rate went up to that R13/$ mark and one of the manufacturers prices changed up with the exchange rate - rightfully so. BUT when the exchange corrected - the price only dropped by the amount that the engine prices reduced. They blamed cloth and other stock as the reason they could not reduce any further. A year after the exchange rate correction, and there was still no decline in the price, hence unless they were buying years of stock in advance, they never passed on the saving.

From what I see, even these locals are not producing many trikes - well not for SA at least - not sure how the exports are looking. I recall one of the manufacturers even sending out an offer to build any kit for a customer too. Perhaps to keep their quieter factories going?

If one picks up the past years worth of SA Flyer and look at the register review - trikes are no longer the boom they were a few years back.
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Thu Aug 02, 2007 9:08 am

skybound ® wrote:
RV4ker wrote: and although many would like a 4 stroke trike it is just too dam expensive to justify as a hobbie, toy or pastime.
Dont you drive an Albat :wink: :wink: :lol: :lol:
:shock: :shock: :shock: Yip, but it only cost a couple bob more than a GT450 and the Tax man pays his fair share. No problem with business "justification" either and therein lies my problem with the trike. As soon as I can get my accountant to agree to write off the trike as an obervation/survey/new business generation tool I am there :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Postby Alex » Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:23 am

Hi Guys

But we can just buy a crop-spraying thing extra and do no work way not?

Right I had a talk with them and I saw some plans for these new microlights, its stronger and priced like and AQ ------ and less, but looking on paper like close to a GT 450 I was very impressed. They are looking at a cruise speed of 90 m/ph on the 912 and the 582 like a normal training trike, but it will be able to perform for a little more like a faster trike, this will be optional.

Guys I fly the Quik not a GT 450 “THE BIG BROTHER OF THE GT450” and if this trike can do better I want to test it!!! Believe me I will tell you all!!! I will like to see a better trike in SA and we can all enjoy the speed and nice flying of a 3 axis in a Wight shift but not so costly. They have only Rotax engines for a power plant so that is a very good thing because its proven it self, don’t you agree? The engine makes the price!

I have been told that I can test them when they come out so THIS WILL BE FUNN!!!

They also said JAG Air can have the first one for testing, so lets see. I will fly it and tell you what is bad and what is good. My interest in this is a good strong aircraft for training but affordable for me as in a school and for new pilots.

I think we should thank these guys for doing this after being in the microlight industry for so long and deciding to get together and giving us this product. Has I under stud from them they are not in this for money but for fun, “they are keeping their day jobs”

Just some thing I worked out for my self:

All the extras on a microlight will be +/- R 20 000.00 this we save + a cost cut on a 582!!! On its BIG Brother it will be +/- R 40 000.00 just in pound to rand, no adhere costs even included. Guys I know its not just R 320k they have more costs "i have one!", so if this flies better you will see me in one of them with a smile.

I also heard that they will be giving some schools “first 5 schools ” that apply to fly these microlights a good deal "cost” on there first ones from them.

Guys I am sitting back and waiting, this will be so messing up the market! Lets see!

I can only say one thing and I hope I am not talking too much. This is one property developer that started all of this and he is the guy that’s financing the whole thing not for a profit now but for us “ MPL guys” and for his love of microlighting!

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