LAP EN PYP, DRAADKARRE, GRASSNYERS

[Asterix]

I think a lot of it has to do with a self perceived feeling of "high worth", measured by your ownership of something "special" and possession of a "special" skill, which cost you hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Rands, only to have that perception shattered by something "crude and basic" landing and parking next to you, flown by somebody that clearly does not fall into the same "class" as you do. Kind of takes that feeling of being "special" away - therefore the need to assert yourself by making belittling comments about the little toy that just ALSO landed here - at a fraction of the cost!. It explains to a certain degree the "Battles of Will and Self-righteousness" that commonly rage on another forum..

Sad thing is that these underlying ego's / self esteem /pride / etc. can also manifest in dangerous flying behavior - again - to re-assert selfworth.

Or in the need to try and blow the trikes parked near you over with your "Big Prop" as you do your run-up checks, as experienced by myself and some friends recently.

Guys, if you haven't read "Avoiding Fatal Flying Traps" - do it! It exposes and deals with these kinds of personality traits in general aviation, and shows you how easily they can become deadly to you and innocent pax.

Personally, I just laugh it of (except if you succeed in blowing my trike over - THEN there will be no laughing, only some big time bleeding... )

Dis maar die klein-tottie sindroom...

[Bugwar]

You will always get the people that needs to show that they are better than others or own better equipment or have better children or better whatever.... This phenomenon is not limited to the aviation fraternity, you get it everywhere. What we need to be careful of here is to generalize by saying that all blik pilots are the same or think that they are better. Even amongst ourselves we will find the lap-en-pyp guys who's lappe en pype are better than others. I, for instance, believe that my Raptor is far superior to any other make of trike around

I want to share a story with you in defense of the blik pilots:

I was at a rather larger airfield waiting for the mid-day wind to calm down a bit before continuing on my journey when a long blik arrived and the pilot pulled an even longer Merc out of the hangar before putting the blik away. I was lying in the shade of my trike's wing, minding my own business when said pilot and his son pulled up next to me in his long Merc and asked if I needed any help. "No thank you", I replied, "just waiting for the wind to calm down a bit". They would not accept "no" and insisted that they take me into the town for a cold drink and something to eat before taking me back to the airfield. They left me there with their phone number and instructions to call them if I need anything including a place to stay over if the weather did not get better.

These were people that just arrived back home after a week away in Durban and still they insisted being nice to a stranger and fellow aviator before heading home to their loved ones that they have not seen a week.....

[Blue Max]

Bugwar, good storey.
With politics it is the same.
Not every black guy is a Julius Malema caracter.!!!
And not every Blik or tupperware is "high worth".
Asterix, 10 uit 10 vir jou Ingels...

[Hadams]

A friend and I flew to Marloth Park from JHB with just a quick stop-over at Carolina for fuel! Took us all of five and a quarter hours (including standing time) to get there, albeit a little bit tired! As we landed, another BIG blik airie landed, and not the pilot, but the poor "oke" that had to sit in the back of this "magnificent" flying machine asked us if we were those "draad kar" pilots! Being a bit tired, and not in the best of moods, we could only comment "at least we were the pilots in command!" that quickly shut him up and the "Actual" pilot of that machine could not get the grin of his face!

No matter what you fly, as long as you enjoy it to the fullest! If it becomes a "one up-maship" deal, leave flying to those who care, you will only kill yourself trying to be better than others!

Proud trike Pilot!!!

[John Boucher]

Ask yourself this question.... why do so many retired airline & commercial pilots go out and buy aircraft in the LSA & Microlight class when they retire?

I bet you can ask everyone of them this "And now?" and their replies will be "Now I am really FLYING!"

[Pat Two]

I cut my teeth on trikes, I can remember my first trike flight with Craig Cozens. He was training two farmers in the Bloodriver district. I think it was a summer afternoon, just before sunset. Craig took me flying in a 503 Windlass. Now that was real flying.

Now I fly plastic / blik & pyp aeries (I am scared of the cold and I need to be able to cover a bit of distance when flying).

Now that it is getting warmer, I cannot think of a better way to spend a late Saturday afternoon, than just cruising low and slow while the rotax just sips little bits of mogas.. Getting back to the field, lighting a braai and shooting the breeze with fellow pilots. That's the good life! En nou is ek so lus vir trike vlieg ek kan my lag nie hou nie.

[Air Hog]

The main thing is we fly when we want to fly, not because we have to. I always wanted to be a Pilot but did not want to become a Taxi driver.

[Alkemac]

WTF!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... warns.html

[Asterix]

It is like some have said above - it is not about the "blik" - it is that some people have ego problems, notwithstanding what they fly / drive / do / etc. It is a deep seated psychological thing that manifests itself, in amongst other things, aviation.

Example - a guy I know in Standerton has happily offered to come and fetch us with his Cessna 210 over the weekend to go and collect our trikes, (which are STILL resting in the mielie-stoor on Beginsel and amusing my Brother in Law.. )

He is a good person - respects others in all walks of life, in what they fly, etc. (He used to fly trikes!)

[Bundy]

Washington - Are airline pilots forgetting how to fly? As planes become ever more reliant on automation to navigate crowded skies, safety officials worry there will be more deadly accidents traced to pilots who have lost their hands-on instincts in the air.

Hundreds of people have died over the past five years in "loss of control" accidents in which planes stalled during flight or got into unusual positions that pilots could not correct.

In some cases, pilots made the wrong split-second decisions, with catastrophic results - for example, steering the plane's nose skyward into a stall instead of down to regain stable flight.

Spurred in part by US regulations that require greater reliance on computerised flying, the airline industry is suffering from "automation addiction," said Rory Kay, an airline captain and co-chairman of a Federal Aviation Administration committee on pilot training.

"We're seeing a new breed of accident with these state-of-the art planes."

Pilots use automated systems to fly airliners for all but about three minutes of a flight: the take off and landing. Most of the time pilots are programming navigation directions into computers rather than using their hands on controls to fly the plane.

That means they have few opportunities to maintain their skills by flying manually, Kay's advisory committee warns.

Fatal airline accidents have decreased dramatically in the US over the past decade. However, The Associated Press interviewed pilots, industry officials and aviation safety experts who expressed concern about the implications of decreased opportunities for manual flight, and reviewed more than a dozen loss-of-control accidents around the world.

A draft FAA study found pilots sometimes "abdicate too much responsibility to automated systems".

Because these systems are so integrated in today's planes, one malfunctioning piece of equipment or a single bad computer instruction can suddenly cascade into a series of other failures, unnerving pilots who have been trained to rely on the equipment.

The study examined 46 accidents and major incidents, 734 voluntary reports by pilots and others as well as data from more than 9 000 flights in which a safety official rode in the cockpit to observe pilots in action.

It found that in more than 60% of accidents, and 30% of major incidents, pilots had trouble manually flying the plane or made mistakes with automated flight controls.

A typical mistake was not recognising that either the autopilot or the auto-throttle - which controls power to the engines - had disconnected. Others failed to take the proper steps to recover from a stall in flight or to monitor and maintain airspeed.

"We're forgetting how to fly," Kay said.

In the most recent fatal airline crash in the US, in 2009 near Buffalo, New York, the co-pilot of a regional airliner programmed incorrect information into the plane's computers, causing it to slow to an unsafe speed. That triggered a stall warning.

The startled captain, who hadn't noticed the plane had slowed too much, responded by repeatedly pulling back on the control yoke, overriding two safety systems, when the correct procedure was to push forward.

The plane plummeted to earth, killing all 49 people aboard and one on the ground.

Two weeks after the New York accident, a Turkish Airlines Boeing 737 crashed into a field while trying to land in Amsterdam. Nine people were killed and 120 injured.

An investigation found that one of the plane's altimeters, which measures altitude, had fed incorrect information to the plane's computers.

That, in turn, caused the auto-throttle to reduce speed to a dangerously slow level so that the plane lost lift and stalled.

Dutch investigators described the flight's three pilots' "automation surprise" when they discovered the plane was about to stall. They hadn't been closely monitoring the airspeed.

Last month, French investigators recommended that all pilots get mandatory training in manual flying and handling a high-altitude stall. The recommendations were in response to the 2009 crash of an Air France jet flying from Brazil to Paris. All 228 people aboard were killed.

An investigation found that airspeed sensors fed bad information to the Airbus A330's computers. That caused the autopilot to disengage suddenly and a stall warning to activate.
The co-pilot at the controls struggled to save the plane, but because he kept pointing the plane's nose up, he actually caused the stall instead of preventing it, experts said.

The ability of pilots to respond to the unexpected loss or malfunction of automated aircraft systems "is the big issue that we can no longer hide from in aviation," said Bill Voss, president of the Flight Safety Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia.

"We've been very slow to recognise the consequence of it and deal with it."

The foundation, which is industry-supported, promotes aviation safety around the world.


- SAPA ( credit: News 24)

Found this on Avcom, I think it might be from the same source as Alkemac's above?

He he, at least we know our "Lap en Pyp" aeries will not be flown by computers any time soon! Fly It Baby!!!

[MADDOG]

I cut my teeth on trikes

Pat two, I think you are pulling bar too much!

[witwillem]

I hears all you ous have to say , I think back when I buy my first Windlass, Ja boet now I was like a real pilot flyin with a 747 boeing ja I live in a simple place we are simpel peoples here on the vlakte but we have respect for each other - your problem is mine and mine is everbodies and so it is . When my Windlass come home all friends around come and see - Ou Ryk jan Graaf he fly piper cherokie and piet pype he fly Cessna 172 they all comes wif some special things because we have a new pilot and a new aerie in our area , - Ja is lekker here and we have different attitude - we all fly because we want to and we can and we has respect for the sky and for our pride and joy which is our aeroplanes ,
Julle moet julle se stront los en regkom hoor Greeting Witwillem

[John Boucher]

Ai... sulke bek moet jam kry!

[Jean Crous]

In the same vein i can tell the following story. At Mosselbay there were a bunch of Cubbys parked when the PC12 from AMS landed there. As the pilot turned on the apron he used some reverse thrust momentarily , to avoid the propwash blowing some Cubbys away Needless to say the pilot was none other than OupaG doing his bit for his fellow man

[John Boucher]

Needless to say the pilot was none other than OupaG

What a gentleman he is.....