Radio licence

[alan]

I have submitted a question on the SAMicro list and had a few replies. The question is: Do you need an annual radio licence for the portable radios in a trike for example. I believe that it costs R380 for application fee and thereafter R48 a year.
Where can one get hold of the regulation pertaining to licencing of aircraft radios? I checked on the ICASA website but cannot find it anywhere.
Anybody shed any light on this please?

[DarkHelmet]

Thanks Alan - I was just thinking to post this here...

Just for info, according to the regs this is what is required on board:

(b) if the aircraft is engaged in a domestic flight -
(i) the certificate of registration;
(ii) the certificate of airworthiness or authority to fly;
(iii) the appropriate licence of each f light crew member;
(iv) the aircraft radio station licence;
(v) the certificate of release to service if type certified;
(vi) the aircraft flight manual referred to in regulation 91.03.2 or an equivalent document;
(vii) the mass and balance report;
(viii) the flight folio;
(ix) the MEL, if applicable;
(x) the noise certificate, if such certificate has been issued for the type of aircraft; and
(xi) the list of visual signals for use by intercepting and intercepted aircraft.

[Smiley]

Looking at that list, I short about 60% of those documents!!
What will happen if I'm asked for it??

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Thanks Alan - I was just thinking to post this here...

Just for info, according to the regs this is what is required on board:

(b) if the aircraft is engaged in a domestic flight -
(i) the certificate of registration;
(ii) the certificate of airworthiness or authority to fly;
(iii) the appropriate licence of each f light crew member;
(iv) the aircraft radio station licence;
(v) the certificate of release to service if type certified;
(vi) the aircraft flight manual referred to in regulation 91.03.2 or an equivalent document;
(vii) the mass and balance report;
(viii) the flight folio;
(ix) the MEL, if applicable;
(x) the noise certificate, if such certificate has been issued for the type of aircraft; and
(xi) the list of visual signals for use by intercepting and intercepted aircraft.

WTF

[DarkHelmet]

NTCA Revision 1 states: (Looks like currently in force)

--> Cut

Exemptions

96.03.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 91.03.1, a person may operate an amateur-built or production-built aircraft, including a microlight aeroplane, while conducting flight training or in a commercial air transport operation without carrying on board any of the documents prescribed in the foregoing regulation should such carriage not be safely or practically possible.

--> End Cut

On that - I don't think my paniar bag is big enough to squeeze the bluddy manual in to!

[alan]

Do you think we should start a poll to see who has a radio licence for their trike or would that be too revealing This looks like another case that we don't need a radio but for safety sake we buy one but then have to pay extra to use it.

[zoobie]

last year CAA would not give me my Authority to Fly without a valid radio license.... I use a portable radio in my aerie. So, you have been warned....only costa about R50 a year, so just get it...saves you all the hassles.

[ZU-JVR]

(xi) the list of visual signals for use by intercepting and intercepted aircraft.

WTF [/quote]

George / anybody else

I have got the (albeit US) list in a fold-up card format for laminating available (downloaded from the AOPA website some time ago). Anybody wants it lemme know.

I could also post it on AvCom as an attachment ...

Johann / ZU-JVR / Mike Tango

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Ta Johann

Please email to me, I think it universal. Anyone know if this is since 11/9 or has always been req? I am going to CAA on Monday for other issue and will try to clarify exactly what situation is.

Cheers

george @ gbfs . co . za

PS
Any news on Barnstormers issue?

[Microwave]

RV4ker,

I would appreciate it if somebody could give us a final ruling on all of this, once and for all.

[RV4ker (RIP)]

Agreed. Am a bit , and will be highly P off if I get stuck in some hole(where I often am) by "speedcop" looking for a piece of paper I know nothing about .

PS
Couple things bother me about the above requirements.
1 Who is going to do the intercepting and in what (like to see a Grippen/Gulfstram/etc fly alonside a trike to issue these signals or visa versa the heli's or the Pilatus catch the RV )
2 What does it help to have the list in the baggage compartment when you get intercepted. If it is such a big deal (grounding aeries) someone should be making plenty more noise about it, via Aero Club, Misasa etc....
3 I tend to loose things (Head on shoulders only reason I still got it). If I loose my Lic, I be in big KAK. Are copies acceptable (certified?)

[CloudBase]

On the aircraft station license; If your radio is permanently mounted on the aircraft - like a panel-mount then you need a aircraft station license from ICASA at the above fees. A hand-held radio does not require an aircraft station license. I'm not sure why a hand-held does not require a license when it is used as primary comm on an aircraft.

Part 91 states;

91.03.1 The owner or operator of an aircraft shall ensure that the following documents or certified true
copies thereof, are carried on board the aircraft on each individual flight:

Certified copies of the applicable docs are therefore acceptable.

96.03.02 exempts any of the documents that cannot be carried safely or practically.

The important info from the flight manual is mass and balance, critical temperatures & pressures and other important engine and airframe operating limits. Copy the appropriate pages, have it certified and keep it in a pouch on your aircraft. I taped the pouch inside my trike's wing and had the important limits on the instrument panel.

The flight folio, logbook and maintenance log should be up to date.

If you cannot produce the required docs or a feasible explanation in terms of 96.03.02 to a CAA inspector or anyone designated for the purpose, you may be grounded until it is rectified.

Exercise 2 of he practical training syllabus is entirely dedicated to documentation. Not to open another can of worms, but a good instructor should explain these regulations in detail and how they pertain to the type of aircraft he's training you on.

I'm sure fighter pilot training don't include intercepting trikes, but a Mig doing a cobra maneuvre to keep up will make a cool pic.

[alan]

Thanks Cloudbase.
What you said about not needing a radio licence if its a portable was what I knew to be correct. Does anyone know where this is in black and white
Phoning ICASA was even more confusing and I am surprised they did not ask me if I had a licence to phone them

[skybound®]

I think there is confusion regarding the portable station. If it can transmit is must have a licence - finished. It will be in one of the ICASA acts somewhere (not CAA).

The confusion I think was created when CAA gave us exemption from withholding our ATF if we could not produce a radio licence. It was then pointed out that we did not require to fly with a radio - thus the exemption.

BUT if you fly with a radio - you must have the licence. If you do not fly with a radio - then they will not request the licence.

Simple.

If you want to take the chance and end up being grounded by the speedcop...

[Wart]

Where do we apply for these and how?