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Air sick experiences

Postby DieselFan » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:39 am

After having gr8 bed wx and RL making sure I haven't flown in 3 weeks :evil: , I dreamt I got airsick whilst on short finals and I crashed :shock:

Please tell me about your air sick experience (ASE), PAX included or not

- How many minutes had you been flying, before the...
- Wierd times like doing a low pass or finals etc.
- How many times had you had an ASE in your X hrs of flying

I know it's not the best of topics but admittably something I'd never heard of till recently!
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Postby The Agent » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:43 am

Hey Diesel Fan I don't know to much about Airsickness an puking but I know about acouple of guys having shat themselves after engine failure.

I don't believe you will get sick on finals to much work to do and other things to concentrate on, sseeerrriiouuus my man.
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Postby DieselFan » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:36 am

The Agent wrote:I don't believe you will get sick on finals to much work to do and other things to concentrate on, sseeerrriiouuus my man.
Well thats comforting, but what about my pax :?: , I've had some pretty bumpy finals.

How much does it take before people to get sick? I personally enjoy the bumps, feels like a roller coaster or rock crawling. It could also be that I haven't had the pleasure of a long enough flight for the bumps to make my stomach upset.
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Postby kb » Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:48 am

Getting airsick, like getting car sick, is dependant on each person. Airsickness, is when the audiotory canals in your ears, are out of balance with your senses. EG: you may feel that you are tilted sideways, (like in a turn), but your eyes are telling you that you are straight and level. Now imagine what happens when you turn the opposite way - brain thinks you are S/L, but you are actually turning.
I think it's impossible to say "how much can you handle" before you get a warm splat of carrots and sweetcorn running down your back from your pax, as every person is different. How much does it take before you get car sick???
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Postby Morph » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:00 pm

I've heard of 2 instances, one in GertCoetzee's plane and one in CLU-less'. Both were PAX's. I would suggest that if you are prone to airsickness or any form of motion sickness then you should rather not try flying as a hobby. If you get bye, by fair weather flying that's OK but you never know when you are going to be hit with thermals and the last thing you need is to be incapacitated in the air. IMHO

I know there are drugs out there you take before a long journey but they also numb the senses :shock:

I suggest if you are the queasy type then get an instructor to take you up in bumpy conditions, with a sick bag of course, and see how you go.

Fortunately for me I have never had a problem,40 kt SE out at sea in huge waves and storms and I am like Capt Ahab, facing the storm. I have never been airsick or car sick either except of course after a heavy night and some greasy breakfast :shock: , But that's a different story :lol:
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A tip

Postby AV8 » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:08 pm

Just a tip, use it don't use it - I always tell my Pax "If you are going to puke, turn your head to the left, as the air filters are on the right hand side".

A bit embarrassing if you have an engine out due to partially chewed peas and carrots.
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Postby velocity » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:09 pm

Morpheus wrote:Fortunately for me I have never had a problem,40 kt SE out at sea in huge waves and storms and I am like Capt Ahab, facing the storm. I have never been airsick or car sick either except of course after a heavy night and some greasy breakfast :shock: , But that's a different story :lol:
Personally same for me as pretty bullet proof in cars boats planes but from a non-pilot perspective I think that if you are relatively busy doing something then you may be OK, its when you just sit around and wait for it to happen (PAX or fishing - bottom fishing not trawling is worse) that its a factor. Also maybe stress / excitement (now I'm contradicting myself :shock: ) may play a part in some instances to make you sick eg Tandem Skydiving Pax are (EDIT usually...) fine in the plane, are fine in freefall and then upchuck all over themselves (maybe with relief) and the tandem master during the canopy ride :x

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Re: A tip

Postby Morph » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:15 pm

AV8 wrote:A bit embarrassing if you have an engine out due to partially chewed peas and carrots.
:lol: :lol:

One thing I don't understand, you can not eat carrots for weeks but just throw up and THERE THEY ARE :!: :!: What :?: do they stay in your stomach just for the very possiblility that you are going to get sick. :shock: :lol:
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Postby gertcoetzee » Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:37 pm

The motion sickness issue is the only major discord in a 13 year sentence marriage. No one, I repeat no one has ever been sick flying with me, except for Aneen. Not once, twice. On both flips. See http://www.zu-dve.com/20051120.jpg So then, as Andries says, his first wife also had motion sickness. So there is hope.

I am investigation some alternative prophylaxis for motion sickness, will test it out on Aneen and report back
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Postby The Agent » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:33 pm

Morph it looks like you are a man with lots of experience, the carrot thing.


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Postby DieselFan » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:49 pm

Some hilarious posts! :lol:

I don't get sick unless reading in the car. Although can't remember the last time I saw carrots, so I *think* I can handle the rough stuff.

Have any pilots ever got sick?

I used Valoid on my GF's 12 yr old sister - just incase...she fell asleep :shock:. and wasn't impressed with me :lol:
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Postby Morph » Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:58 pm

The Agent wrote:Morph it looks like you are a man with lots of experience, the carrot thing.


:P :P :P
They call me Chuck Chunder :lol:

Actually not, I have a very tough constitution.
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Postby RV4ker (RIP) » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:48 pm

I get car sick, sea sick and have on occation got air sick (even while P1 - worst was while on PPL X country test , left base after 2.5 hrs of K@K en betaal in 35+deg heat, but that another story :oops: :oops: ).

Couple things which affect me. :oops: (More than a bit of a sick puppy)
:arrow: Air. (Turn off the air and I have less than 5 mins to go) Once nav'd for a guy in air race and he taped up the air vents. Did not last 10 mins.... Ditto on doing Nav in SA Nationals in Cub replica. Tandem seating means very little air as plane flown from front and we both a couple craps behind and far tooo many meals ahead. The maps were reduced to equivalent of Cooking channel veggie platter before we even got to the first checkpoint (15mins). I did not want to let Pilot down as we had a chance of winning sports class (which we eventually did) so smuggled some jiffies aboard to stow the evidence. Managed to find 3 foto's while heaving left and couple more on the right.... :lol: :lol: . To this day he does not even know I was sick :shock: for 50% of the 2 hr flights on each of the 2 days of competition...
:arrow: Food - Fly on empty gut and it will have it's revenge.. Always have something to eat and drink before you fly. (stay away from phings what give you gass - Burps tend to follow through) :roll:
:arrow: Heat - If it hot as hell and core body temp is high it gonna come out. Not much can do about it. Often get this sensation when flying low level (5000') over mine dumps at mid day. Simply climb to where OAT is below 20 and it seems to go away? Never been airsick at niht and done plensh night flying and in some K@K WX.
:arrow: Sunnies - Whenever I get new sunglasses they take plenty getting used to. Non tinted lenses seem to have more of an effect?. Also if they squeese temples there tends to be accelleration of the technicolour yawn..
:arrow: Helmet - If I fly (trike) with tight hemet it makes it worse. Ditto for headset squeese.
:arrow: Rapid head movements also NO NO...
:arrow: AND Last but not least and most obvious - BOOZE. IF fhave a big thrash I will be sick before even getting into plane... :cry:

I blame Malaria - That my story & I stickin to it..... :roll:

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When ground is where sky should be food is not where it should be and plane turns into a Vommit Commet.... :oops: :cry:
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Postby Duck Rogers » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:53 pm

DieselFan wrote:I personally enjoy the bumps, feels like a roller coaster or rock crawling. It could also be that I haven't had the pleasure of a long enough flight for the bumps to make my stomach upset.
I've never been sick in the air. When the bumps come, I'm usually too busy k@kking myself, stirring the pot and treading the bicycle to keep the old 3-axis straight and level. Way too busy to be sick, I think :D

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And what does the doctor say?

Postby Bennie Vorster » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:00 pm

Dizziness and Motion Sickness


Each year more than two million people visit a doctor for dizziness, and an untold number suffer with motion sickness, which is the most common medical problem associated with travel...



What Is Dizziness?
Some people describe a balance problem by saying they feel dizzy, lightheaded, unsteady, or giddy. This feeling of imbalance or dysequilibrium, without a sensation of turning or spinning, is sometimes due to an inner ear problem.



What Is Vertigo?
A few people describe their balance problem by using the word vertigo, which comes from the Latin verb "to turn". They often say that they or their surroundings are turning or spinning. Vertigo is frequently due to an inner ear problem.



What Is Motion Sickness And Sea Sickness?
Some people experience nausea and even vomiting when riding in an airplane, automobile, or amusement park ride, and this is called motion sickness. Many people experience motion sickness when riding on a boat or ship, and this is called seasickness even though it is the same disorder.

Motion sickness or seasickness is usually just a minor annoyance and does not signify any serious medical illness, but some travelers are incapacitated by it, and a few even suffer symptoms for a few days after the trip.



The Anatomy Of Balance
Dizziness, vertigo, and motion sickness all relate to the sense of balance and equilibrium. Researchers in space and aeronautical medicine call this sense spatial orientation, because it tells the brain where the body is "in space:" what direction it is pointing, what direction it is moving, and if it is turning or standing still.

Your sense of balance is maintained by a complex interaction of the following parts of the nervous system:

The inner ears (also called the labyrinth), which monitor the directions of motion, such as turning, or forward-backward, side-to-side, and up-and-down motions.
The eyes, which monitor where the body is in space (i.e. upside down, rightside up, etc.) and also directions of motion.
The skin pressure receptors such as in the joints and spine, which tell what part of the body is down and touching the ground.
The muscle and joint sensory receptors, which tell what parts of the body are moving.
The central nervous system (the brain and spinal cord), which processes all the bits of information from the four other systems to make some coordinated sense out of it all.
The symptoms of motion sickness and dizziness appear when the central nervous system receives conflicting messages from the other four systems.

For example, suppose you are riding through a storm, and your airplane is being tossed about by air turbulence. But your eyes do not detect all this motion because all you see is the inside of the airplane. Then your brain receives messages that do not match with each other. You might become "air sick."

Or suppose you are sitting in the back seat of a moving car reading a book. Your inner ears and skin receptors will detect the motion of your travel, but your eyes see only the pages of your book. You could become "car sick."

Or, to use a true medical condition as an example, suppose you suffer inner ear damage on only one side from a head injury or an infection. The damaged inner ear does not send the same signals as the healthy ear. This gives conflicting signals to the brain about the sensation of rotation, and you could suffer a sense of spinning, vertigo, and nausea.

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What Medical Conditions Cause Dizziness?
Circulation: If your brain does not get enough blood flow, you feel light headed. Almost everyone has experienced this on occasion when standing up quickly from a lying down position. But some people have light headedness from poor circulation on a frequent or chronic basis. This could be caused by arteriosclerosis or hardening of the arteries, and it is commonly seen in patients who have high blood pressure, diabetes, or high levels of blood fats (cholesterol). It is sometimes seen in patients with inadequate cardiac (heart) function or with anemia.

Certain drugs also decrease the blood flow to the brain, especially stimulants such as nicotine and caffeine. Excess salt in the diet also leads to poor circulation. Sometimes circulation is impaired by spasms in the arteries caused by emotional stress, anxiety, and tension.

If the inner ear falls to receive enough blood flow, the more specific type of dizziness occurs-that is-vertigo. The inner ear is very sensitive to minor alterations of blood flow and all of the causes mentioned for poor circulation to the brain also apply specifically to the inner ear.

Injury: A skull fracture that damages the inner ear produces a profound and incapacitating vertigo with nausea and hearing loss. The dizziness will last for several weeks, then slowly improve as the normal (other) side takes over

Infection: Viruses, such as those causing the common "cold" or "flu," can attack the inner ear and its nerve connections to the brain. This can result in severe vertigo, but hearing is usually spared. However, a bacterial infection such as mastoiditis that extends into the inner ear will completely destroy both the hearing and the equilibrium function of that ear. The severity of dizziness and recovery time will be similar to that of skull fracture.

Allergy: Some people experience dizziness and/or vertigo attacks when they are exposed to foods or airborne particles (such as dust, molds, pollens, danders, etc.) to which they are allergic.

Neurological diseases: A number of diseases of the nerves can affect balance, such as multiple sclerosis, syphilis, tumors, etc. These are uncommon causes, but your physician will think about them during the examination.

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What Will the Physician Do For My Dizziness?
The doctor will ask you to describe your dizziness, whether it is light headedness or a sensation of motion, how long and how often the dizziness has troubled you, how long a dizzy episode lasts, and whether it is associated with hearing loss or nausea and vomiting. You might be asked for circumstances that might bring on a dizzy spell. You will need to answer questions about your general health, any medicines, you are taking, head injuries, recent infections, and other questions about your ear and neurological system.

Your physician will examine your ears, nose, and throat and do tests of nerve and balance function. Because the inner ear controls both balance and hearing, disorders of balance often affect hearing and vice versa. Therefore, your physician will probably recommend hearing tests (audiograms). The physician might order skull X rays, a CT or MRI scan of your head, or special tests of eye motion after warm or cold water is used to stimulate the inner ear (ENG - electronystagmography). In some cases, blood tests or a cardiology (heart) evaluation might be recommended.

Not every patient will require every test. The physician's judgement will be based on each particular patient. Similarly, the treatments recommended by your physician will depend on the diagnosis.



What Can I Do To Reduce Dizziness?
Avoid rapid changes in position, especially from lying down to standing up or turning around from one side to the other.
Avoid extremes of head motion (especially looking up) or rapid head motion (especially turning or twisting).
Eliminate or decrease use of products that impair circulation, e.g. nicotine, caffeine, and salt.
Minimize your exposure to circumstances that precipitate your dizziness, such as stress and anxiety or substances to which you are allergic.
Avoid hazardous activities when you are dizzy, such as driving an automobile or operating dangerous equipment, or climbing a step ladder, etc.
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What Can I Do For Motion Sickness?
Always ride where your eyes will see the same motion that your body and inner ears feel, e.g. sit in the front seat of the car and look at the distant scenery; go up on the deck of the ship and watch the horizon; sit by the window of the airplane and look outside. In an airplane choose a seat over the wings where the motion is the least.

Do not read while traveling if you are subject to motion sickness, and do not sit in a seat facing backward.
Do not watch or talk to another traveler who is having motion sickness.
Avoid strong odors and spicy or greasy foods immediately before and during your travel. Medical research has not yet investigated the effectiveness of popular folk remedies such as soda crackers and & Seven Up® or cola syrup over ice.
Take one of the varieties of motion sickness medicines before your travel begins, as recommended by your physician.
Some of these medications can be purchased without a prescription (i.e., Dramamine®, Bonine®, Marezine®, etc.) Stronger medicines such as tranquilizers and nervous system depressants will require a prescription from your physician. Some are used in pill or suppository form.

Remember: Most cases of dizziness and motion sickness are mild and self-treatable disorders. But, severe cases and those that become progressively worse, deserve the attention of a physician with specialized skills in diseases of the ear, nose, throat, equilibrium, and neurological systems.


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