Proposed A.D.M. Training Discussion

[Tailspin]

I would love to Join.

Just say where and When.

[Blue Max]

Dit klink positief en verdien wye ondersteuning.
Daar sal aanvanklik probleme wees, wat soos die program ontwikkel, uitgesorteer sal word. ( Rome is nie in een dag gebou nie!)
Die ontwikkeling van n salabis gaan n uitdaging wees.
n twee uur kurses klink baie kort as n ou aan al die moontlikhede dink.!!
Hou dit asb by weightshift, CCM en LSA.
Baie sterkte....Hef-aan le voor.!!!

[Dawie Rosslyn Micro Flyer]

Hi Allen
Dawie du Toit of Rosslyn Micro Flyers and I would like to comment on this post.

I do advanced training for some time now and I found that each person has a different need for advanced training. You get guys that is afraid of high flying, steep turns, turbulance, low flying, staling, goose step, short field landings, forced landings in the bush or in water, ect.

Each individual need to have advanced training as someone mentioned that you get advanced driving courses in bike and cars as well.
The important fact is that we have to put a course together in such a way as to satisfy that person without boring him.

Things like whether to fly or not. The pressure on the pilot to fly i.e I think of Hansie Cronje's accident, The 2 Albatross aircraft in the mountains (the pilots sat and wait for the weather to improve to be able to fly). Pilots must be learned to stick to a decision and not be influenced by their Instructors, bosses, family or any one else.

This training syllabus should be constructed in such a way that the instructor can identify the individual needs of every person and then adopt the program to that persons needs.

I think we must ask pilots to submit their close encounters, accidents and fears and that will enable us to put a course together.

I hope this help and that we can work together to construct a worthy advanced training course
Most of all this should also be a fun and affordable course

[Bundy]

Dawie...thank you for your input Sir.

I am pushed for time now but will respond in the morning. Here's something to mull over for now...

Aeronautical Decision-Making (FAA Definition)

"a systematic approach to the mental process used by pilots to consistently determine the best course of action in response to a given set of circumstances".

The ADM Process

Defining the Problem

Problem identification is the first active step in the ADM process. It begins when a change has occurred or an expected change did not occur. It is firstly detected by the pilots’ senses (perception) and then through other systems like knowledge, insight or personal experiences (recognition). One of the main threats in this part of the process is that Pilot’s often commit the error of incorrectly defining the problem. In many situations a problem is not clearly defined, it may have two or more possible interpretations, each requiring a different, and often conflicting, course of action. Thus, the use of experience, knowledge and the appropriate resources are required to ensure the problem is correctly determined prior to decision-making.

Choosing a Course of Action

Evaluation must be done in order to ensure the correct course of action is identified to solve the defined problem. This process can include reference to manuals, or brainstorming within the crew to evaluate actions and the outcome of each appropriate action. This stage is critical in order to decide the response to the situation.

Implementation

Pilots will enter this stage after choosing a course of action to be implemented for the defined problem. It is critical for pilots to think ahead about the aftermath of the action chosen. After implementation, vigilance must be maintained at a high level in order to evaluate the outcome of the action, and to determine that it is producing the desired effect.

[Turbo]

dawie -- spot on, that's exactly what I'm looking for!

[Bundy]

Thank you for your responses, and I apologise for the delay in response...first rains co incide with a high call received rate in the maintenance business!

Dawie, I hear what you are saying and agree that there must be room to address each indevidual's requirements in terms of practical Advanced Training from a "stick and rudder skills" perspective. We each have specific things that are a hinder to us, whether it is turbulence, confidence or just plain lack of practice.

If you guys read the extract I posted above you will see that ADM is fundamentally about making the best decision for a given set of circumstances...in any scenario. There is a lot of literature and research on it on the internet, but most of this has been done from a Commercial Aviation perspective. You will read about Flight crews and all sorts of things that are simply not relevant to the recreational flyer. If this is to come to pass, we have to use the information available and with the insight and knowledge of the Working group (to be established) to design a theoretical course that will encompass ADM but make it relevant to the Recreational Pilot and the day to day scenarios that such pilots will be involved in.

Two sides to this as Dawie mentions. Theory and Practical. The theoretical side can be taught to anyone.... the practical side differs from person to person.
I believe that a standardised training course and exam will reveal to the examiner (based on the test results) where the weaknesses for each individual pilot may lie in terms of decision making. The instructor can then use that information to design (on a person to person) basis a practical advanced flying training session to address those issues and whichever others they feel necessary. 1 hour, two hours....up to the individual instructor and pilot to decide.

Topics that the course should cover are for example:

Airworthyness
Pre flighting
Ground safety
The take off sequence (runway options, EFATO etc etc )
Approaching an Aerodrome
The landing sequence, identifying the best options, least hazards etc
Emergency landings
Analysing the weather changes on route, having enough options and choosing the correct one.
Flying in the mountains
Low flying
Fuel management
Etc etc etc...

The first goal is to learn what ADM is. The second is to slowly go through scenarios as above and teach us how to apply ADM to each one... this makes it relevant to recreation flying and far easier to understand. The exam should be designed to test your decision making process and at the sametime reveal where your decision making weaknesess are.... that will allow you and your instructor to work on them together in the actual aircraft.

Noted....the two hour time frame was optimistic This would have to be a full day course at least...

Please, we need more instructors to comment here, the idea is growing but without them it will fail to get off the ground. It is their knowledge of training and our shortfalls as pilots we need to tap into to design the course material and topics.... We have an opportunity to start something very positive in terms of safety, but it will take commitment and effort before we see any results. I will not even try unless we have the majority of ATO's supporting the concept...

[John.com]

Thank you for your responses, and I apologise for the delay in response...first rains co incide with a high call received rate in the maintenance business!

Dawie, I hear what you are saying and agree that there must be room to address each indevidual's requirements in terms of practical Advanced Training from a "stick and rudder skills" perspective. We each have specific things that are a hinder to us, whether it is turbulence, confidence or just plain lack of practice.

If you guys read the extract I posted above you will see that ADM is fundamentally about making the best decision for a given set of circumstances...in any scenario. There is a lot of literature and research on it on the internet, but most of this has been done from a Commercial Aviation perspective. You will read about Flight crews and all sorts of things that are simply not relevant to the recreational flyer. If this is to come to pass, we have to use the information available and with the insight and knowledge of the Working group to be established design a theoretical course that will encompass ADM but make it relevant to the Recreational Pilot and the day to day scenarios that such pilots will be involved in.

Two sides to this as Dawie mentions. Theory and Practical. The theoretical side can be taught to anyone, the practical side differs from person to person.
I believe that a standardised training course and exam will reveal to the examiner (based on the test results) where the weaknesses for each individual pilot may lie in terms of decision making. The instructor can then use that information to design (on a person to person) basis a practical advanced flying session to address those issues and whichever others they feel necessary.

Topics that the course should cover are for example:

Airworthyness
Pre flighting
Ground safety
The take off sequence (runway options, EFATO etc etc )
Approaching an Aerodrome
The landing sequence, identifying the best options, least hazards etc
Emergency landings
Analysing the weather changes on route, having enough options and choosing the correct one.
Flying in the mountains
Low flying
Fuel management
Etc etc etc...

The first goal is to learn what ADM is. The second is to slowly go through scenarios as above and teach us how to apply ADM to each one... this makes it relevant to recreation flying and far easier to understand. The exam should be designed to test your decision making process and at the sametime reveal where your decision making weaknesess are.... that will allow you and your instructor to work on them together in the actual aircraft.

Noted, the two hour time frame was optimistic This would have to be a full day course at least...

Please, we need more instructors to comment here, the idea is growing but without them it will fail to get off the ground. It is their knowledge of training and our shortfalls as pilots we need to tap into to design the course material and topics.... We have an opportunity to start something very positive in terms of safety, but it will take commitment and effort before we see any results. I will not even try unless we have the majority of ATO's supporting the concept...

Yes, this is starting to take very nice shape Alan!

I think that any pilot worth his salt would jump at increasing knowledge, skill and general awareness in these, and I'm sure other, topics!

One that came to mind last night was 'Formation Flying'! If you look at the storm of controversy it caused on Avcom recently (see HERE), I feel that this is a topic that NEEDS to be covered, especially considering how often trikes fly in 'gaggles'. Sub-topics might include formation flying rules, leadership when flying in formation (who drives the bus?), radio comms (and comms failures), situational awareness, handling of emergencies, break-away rules, etc., etc.

Also Alan, you may want to review THIS topic on AVCOM, which was for a fixed wing ADVANCED PILOT TRAINING PRELIMINARY SYLLABUS. A lot will not apply but it gives a sense of what the blik-pilots cover off in an advanced flying course (well, at least in THIS proposal - I see it has ONE response, so maybe should be viewed in context ).

Keep the initiative going Alan! It is looking awesome!

[Bundy]

One that came to mind last night was 'Formation Flying'!

Very good addition...thanks John.

[Air Hog]

Just want to add one point that seems to be lacking in todays time: Airmanship.

I also like John's addition: Formation flying - flying long distance in a Gaggle, how to do it safe.

[Dawie Rosslyn Micro Flyer]

The instructors should meet and put a course together in such a way that a person at Microland and another at Rosslyn Micro Flyers ( Kroon Airfield) are on the same standard.
We have to put something together and start with this course which will change as info start rolling in.

[wiskeyfoxtrot]

I think its a great idea, BUT ... K.I.S.S...... keep it simple stupid.. A simple but effective course with plenty of practical stuff would be great. I am always keen to learn new flying skills that could help me one day when the brown stuff hits the fan !



Later

[Bundy]

Dawie and my fellow flyers I thank you for your input.

I will take this further through the Newsletter as I believe it will reach more ATO's in that way, having just one interested party in the mix will just not cut it.

In addition to that I will ask Rowena and Nico (MISASA) to e mail the ATO's directly at the same time for feedback and suggestions on the way forward.

I will keep you all posted in good time.

Many Thanks,

[KFA]

What I would love is an advanced flying course, with practical exercises on extreme slow flying, prop hanging, emergency landings, extreme banks, and such that is not aerobatics. Just to gain as much feel for your aircraft as possible so that one can become 100% in touch with the hardware you trust.

This is what I do. Come for an hour flight at Petit and see what it is all about.

[Bundy]

Would you be interested in taking part of this proposed Working Group of Instructors Stefan?

Your Input on the 3 axis side will be most valuable....

[witwillem]

My eerlike opinie is dat dit n klomp nonsens is , julle wil mense leer dinge doen wt nie behoorlik kan vlieg nie ,die laat ek julle wys bende , ek kan nou mos want ek het die kurses gedoen ,kyk maar na die veilige kant daarvan , ons lewe in n ongedisiplineerde lewe waar elke een net doen wat hy wil , julle speel met vuur , soos hulle in brits sal se fly the aircraft within its desein envelope , n paar jaar terug was die ongeluk syfer baie hoog , hoekom omdat almal gese het die microlights is verskriklik veilig , julle skep n wan indruk by die jongeres , daar is n jong instrukteur ddod by rosslyn nadat hy almal wou wys wat hy met sy vliegtuig kon doen , ja ek sal dit definitief nie doen nie witwillem