Piloting an aircraft that does not have a valid ATF

[Loco]

Hi, what's the implications of piloting an aircraft that does not have a valid ATF?

Thanks...

[justin.schoeman]

R10,000 fine, if you get caught. No insurance cover if you prang.

[Air Hog]

If you have an accident and you are not dead, CAA is going to KILL you

Jokes aside: If you have an accident/Incident, your insurance is going to be null and void, Life insurance will not pay out etc.

SO, don't do it.

[Loco]

Yikes that's some serious implications eish.........

[Alkemac]

.. and you have a very frosty cup of tea with CAA...

[Blue Max]

Every year I have to put my truck through a roadworthy test.
There-after I renew the licence for a year. Next year, same story..
Almost the same as with an aircraft..
If I drive the truck without a licence or a roadworthy and I am caught I will be in trouble ( fined)
If I make an accident, same as in regards to insurance..
Realy not a lot of difference I would say..
The only difference I can think of is that in the aviation you will find that you might sooner get into trouble without a licence or flying without a valid ATF.
As far as the insurance aspect is concerned I am of the opinion that death by aircraft accident (when you are the pilot) does not realy warrent an additional premium simply because fatalities in that department is minnimal....But they dont see it that way,!!!!
Ja, O K trek my maar uit mekaar uit..!!!
Die versekerings maatskappye vertrou ek nie..!!!!

[kloot piloot]

Anthony, everything said above is true ... but ... what if you have no choice ?

Say you bought a trike in Klerksdorp, the ATF has expired, but there are also no AP's in Klerksdorp to help and you want to fly it to your airfield where there are AP's .

Then you apply for a "Special Flight Permit" at RAASA. It is an easy and cheap procedure. Application form on their web-site.

There are some conditions, the permit's validity is limited (I think 3 specified days) but you get to fly it legally from point A to B without an ATF, yet within the law.

[Bundy]

The truth....on an uneventful flight with a safe landing as a conclusion....nothing. The PAX you just flew will still love their flight, as will you.
There will be no CAA inspector waiting on the apron doing a surprise inspection....you will pack your aerie away for another day without fear or favour, and the beer you drink at the pub afterwards will taste just as great as it did the weekend before. No worries whatsoever.

But.... then there may be another day when things dont go so well.

We all run the risk of one day ending up under a pile of crumpled dacron and tubing that used to resemble a plane. It is this day, which you thought would never happen, when the world will fall down upon your shoulders in lawsuits, financial ruin and even criminal charges. That reputation as a safe pilot you hold takes years to accumulate and earn, and just seconds to lose.

Will jy nou regtig sonder daai donderse stukkie papier gaan vlieg?

Not worth it.....but I know you've just done your's Ant....(you told me so ) why you worry?

Fly safe (and legally!) dudes.

[John Boucher]

As jy met groot koning leeu se bal wil speel, en jy knyp net miskien 'n bietjie hard of jy vryf net 'n bietjie verkeerd dan gaan dit eina wees..... meestal finansieel en eer!

[Asterix]

What is an ATF?

Joking people...

[John Boucher]

Alcohol - Tobacco - Firearms

[Pat Two]

Piloting an aircraft without a valid ATF is:
a. Fun!
b. An activity that should only be attempted by your mother in law.
c. An activity that should only be attempted if you are in possession of large testicles.
d. Illegal, however permission for such a flight can be requested.
e. An activity that will excite insurance companies and the CAA.



Just pulling your leg!

[Tumbleweed]

Sort of like banging your best mate's daughter who says " I promise not to tell and don't worry, I'm sure I'm on the pill"

A thrilling adventure for sure.

[MILO]

I also understand the Pilot is responsible for the ensuring the ATF is valid (its the owners job to get the ATF). If its a hire to fly plane the pilot will be in the poo even if its not his aerie.

[John Boucher]

We as pilots / owners have a legal (& moral) obligation to each other for that...

Cross the T's and dot the I's