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The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:51 pm
by Low Level
Cross country trips tend to teach one a lot, about yourself, your plane and other planes. I believe I have learned more in two weekends of flying - totalling 27 hrs to Gariep and back, and to Alldays and back - than I have learned in 3 years. I have even learned to love my Sycamore even more. :mrgreen: Didn't think it is possible. :wink:



We as a gaggle of 7 gyros, Magni's, ELA's, Sycamore, Xenon, has flown with Pieter Smith - he in his RAF - on Saturday, with really bad, gusting, windy conditions, and although I was really impressed with the RAF's flying characteristics, dunno if it is only his piloting skills that make it look good, :lol: we as a group, after some serious discussion, has decided that the RAF without the horisontal stab will not do it for us.



At Potties we tried to motivate the horisontal stabilator of the RAF might do the job, as previously discussed to the bone, but alas, it was an anonymous decision that it is difficult to regard it as the thing to do the job of a decent horisontal stabiliser. It is too high and too small to work for us. We regard the lack of a horisontal stab as a serious shortcoming, especially on long cross country trips.



Photographic evidence included to motivate our decision.





Sorry to Eben and the team in Upington, but if there isn't an upgrade coming soon, the RAF will not be on my shopping list.







If you fly with old no 7 and his kitchen, you need a place to put your stuff. Retractable table behind the seat then, or horisontal stab - you decide. :wink: (^^) (^^)


Believe me - all that, and more came out of the M22 belly.



Horisontal stab1.jpg
We really need one........or two
Horisontal stab2.jpg
Lekka ham and cheese rolls
old no 7.jpg
Preparing some cheesegrillers

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:43 pm
by saraf
You see low level, there is no need for a HS on the RAF as the things YOU need it for in the photos we as RAF owners do in the air while flying. As the passenger constantly ask you in-flight , sir Chicken or Beef?

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:46 pm
by mak
And carrying all that while flying hands off like this ......
No Hands 1.jpg
No hands 2.jpg

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:46 pm
by saraf
That is also why we can fly 500 miles in less than a day.

So the choice is yours? Chicken Or Beef?

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:49 pm
by Tinkerbell
Well put, Ebie! Hiehie

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 4:54 pm
by Low Level
saraf wrote:As the passenger constantly ask you in-flight , sir Chicken or Beef?
:lol: :lol:
mak wrote:And carrying all that while flying hands off like this ......
Marius not what it looks like. His using it as winglets to keep that thing from falling from the sky under that load. :wink:

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:16 pm
by mak
Low Level wrote:
Marius not what it looks like. His using it as winglets to keep that thing from falling from the sky under that load. :wink:
Or perhaps flapping his arms to stay in the air....

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:04 pm
by Learjet
Hey when I flew with Ebie in his RAF he didn't offer me chicken or beef.... and there's no excuse - the way that RAF flies hands-off he could have been happily making sandwiches at the same time!

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:17 am
by saraf
He he , Dave, I only had fish and fish on-board that day , and since you are a man form the Cape I was reluctant to offer FISH

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:38 am
by Centu Gyro
Fully Stocked kitchen and Serving table
Magni.jpg
Stocked Kitchen
Empty Kitchen on sponsored fuel.. :)
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Empty Kitchen
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Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:57 pm
by Learjet
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Now if somebody could just fit a set of rotors and get it to fly... :lol:

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:58 am
by Low Level
Learjet wrote:Now if somebody could just fit a set of rotors and get it to fly...
The Mockes has a HUGE runway. Do not tempt them - they will most propably succeed. puff

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:33 am
by saraf
Hi, I have investigated this option this week, I am still in testing faze but I can comment that we got it airborne and without a Horizontal STAB. Only problem is that it keeps the RAF back a bit and I can only get 75mph in the cruise now.

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:09 pm
by Shallowpig
"Only problem is that it keeps the RAF back a bit and I can only get 75mph in the cruise now."

Is that after you've emptied the fridge ? :lol:

Re: The issue of horisontal stabilisers or not - again.

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:35 pm
by Jabbanaught
saraf wrote:Hi, I have investigated this option this week, I am still in testing faze but I can comment that we got it airborne and without a Horizontal STAB. Only problem is that it keeps the RAF back a bit and I can only get 75mph in the cruise now.
Gooi Mielies !!!!!!!